SH: Brother Crawley, how long
have you served as an elder?
Crawley:
39 years, since early in 1949. All of
this has been at 77th Street.
SH: I understand that for
several years the 77th Street church has had as many as seven or eight
elders. How do you account for this relatively large number? Crawley:
We have had some good men
growing up here and we have tried to use them and keep them involved in
everything that we could. Soon after Ralph Scott was baptized and when
he was married, I talked to him about preparing himself for the
eldership. He and others were encouraged not to seek the eldership so
much as to seek to prepare themselves to serve in that capacity.
SH: What responsibility does a
man have to serve if he is asked to do so?
Crawley:
I believe that all Christians should
desire to do whatever they are capable of doing. If the Lord gives us
the ability to do something and we shirk it, then we have shirked our
responsibility to God. I think a man must be convinced that he has the
qualifications and can serve acceptably, but unless he knows something
that others don't know that would disqualify him, I don't see how he
could refuse if the church asks him to serve. In fact, when an elder is
serving, I don't think he can just resign and walk out on his
responsibility to the church any more than he can walk out on his
natural family. I get to the point sometimes where I feel that it would
be so much easier to relieve myself of that feeling of responsibility,
but I just can't do it.
SH: What can a church do if an
elder proves to be unqualified for the work? Crawley:
If some of the church come to the other
elders and feel that one is not qualified, I think we can go back to the
same system used when elders are appointed. Those concerned should be
encouraged to go to the man whom they consider unqualified and be honest
with him and, in love, tell him about it and see if they can't reconcile
their differences. If they cannot, the brother in question should go to
the other elders and, if they agree that he is not qualified, he should
then just quietly resign and there should be no necessity of making the
objections public. If there is any place in the world that people can be
frank and honest without being ugly, it should be in the Lord's family.
SH: Do you have any
suggestions for selecting a preacher?
Crawley:
We need to talk to the men being
considered and determine what their ideas are with reference to
spiritual matters. It is also my thought that it is more important to
find out what kind of work they have done where they have been than just
having them come so we can listen to them preach.
SH: What suggestions do you
have for preachers and elders in working together?
Crawley:
They must be perfectly and
completely honest and frank with each other. A preacher needs to keep
the elders apprised of what he is trying to do and elders should be free
to make suggestions to a preacher concerning any line of teaching which
they feel the congregation needs. I don't encourage preachers meeting
with the elders always; I would rather he did not.
SH: What communication do you
suggest between elders, preachers and deacons?
Crawley:
I believe that elders, deacons and
preachers should meet at least once a month and talk about things that
everybody needs to know about. Assignments should be made to deacons and
they should report concerning progress they have made on anything
assigned to them in the past. Then, between these meetings, at least
once a month, the elders should have a meeting with no one else present.
Preachers may attend that meeting occasionally, if invited, to talk
about things which involve them and the elders alone.
SH: What are some obstacles to
good working relations among elders?
Crawley:
When petty differences exist between
elders or when one elder does not have the complete confidence of the
others, it makes it hard to deal with big questions. And when elders
become overly concerned about whether their authority is being
recognized, it poses a problem. I have said in our elders' meetings that
when we get more concerned with whether our authority is recognized than
we are with the welfare of the congregation, we are in a bad way. People
need to be taught to recognize the authority of elders, but how it
reflects on me is not the problem.
SH: What suggestions do you
have for maintaining unity among elders?
Crawley:
The best way to keep unity is for every
man to recognize that the other folks are just as dedicated and have
just as much sense as he does and not think that just because he
espouses an idea it has to be that way. We have seven elders and if I
have some idea and am really sold on it, but six other men who are just
as dedicated and just as smart as I am think it is not a good idea, I
would be foolish to push it. I should just say, "Well, my idea is wrong
and we will just make it unanimous." I believe that every decision of
the elders should be unanimous on that basis.
SH: What do you consider the
most rewarding part of being an elder?
Crawley:
I think to look around and see men
like Willis West and Ralph Scott and others who have grown up in this
church; and to feel that you have had at least a small part in their
development and to see them active in the work of the church—you can
just write, "Paid in Full." What more reward do you want than to see men
grow up in a godly fashion?
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