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Baptist Questions Given
Bible Answers
By
Larry Ray Hafley
(I
received the following questions from a Baptist whom I do not know. Perhaps
the answers given in response will be of help to him and others.)
Bro.
Hafley,
First,
you should know that I'm nothing more than a feeble-minded Southern Baptist.
I agree in the plan of salvation sprinkled throughout Romans; and it is my
belief anyone which truly "confesses with their mouth" and "believes in
their heart" shall be saved. Your doctrine, the New Testament, would
therefore indicate true believers in the churches of Christ are saved
Christians...along with myself.
I could
ask you to prove why the mercy of God, the blood of Christ, doesn't cover
the sins of someone already in Christ until they confess it. I could ask you
why you aren't re-baptized every time you fall short of God's glory. I could
ask you why one part of Mark 16 is literal (v. 15), yet another part is
metaphoric or non-applicable to our day (v. 16, 17). I could ask why you,
wanting to be the reincarnation of the early church, avoid using pianos and
drums, yet use microphones and air conditioning. Instead, I will cite one
example of a question I have from your doctrine; then I would like for you
to give a Biblical explanation, if you would.
One
Sunday while attending my Baptist church, my cousin (who is a member of a
church of Christ) noted, among other things, that we did not partake in the
Lord's Supper. We began to discuss the differences of having the Lord's
Supper every Sunday and having it once every couple of months or so. During
the discussion, I was enlightened by this passage (which I know you are
familiar with)...Acts 20:7. Apparently this one verse is the foundation for
this particular doctrinal rule, or law, if you will, of the Lord's Church.
Not
having a concordance handy, I took her word on the "breaking of bread" being
a reference to the Eucharist and not to a fellowship supper. The question I
had for her, and the question I pose for you today, is about the second half
of that verse. Notice the length of Paul's sermon. He must've been quite
long-winded that particular night. But, according to the logic applied to
the first half of the verse, because he was long-winded that specific night,
he was long-winded every Sunday.
Why
then, Brother Hafley, are meetings at the churches of Christ some of the
shortest among Protestant churches in my area? I anxiously await your
response-(Name Withheld; We shall refer to him as "Robby").
"Feeble-Minded Southern Baptist"
"I'm
nothing more than a feeble-minded Southern Baptist. I agree in the plan of
salvation sprinkled throughout Romans; and it is my belief anyone which
truly 'confesses with their mouth'" and 'believes in their heart' shall be
saved. Your doctrine, the New Testament, would therefore indicate true
believers in the churches of Christ are saved Christians...along with
myself."
Reply:
While I appreciate your humility, I cannot agree that you are
"feeble-minded." Generally, "feeble-minded" folks cannot ask thoughtful
questions. Neither would there be a need to respond if you were truly
"feeble-minded," for one must understand the truth before he can be obedient
to it. If you were "feeble-minded," you could not be brought to such
understanding as the Lord requires
(Matt. 13:15, 19, 23; Jn. 8:32; Rom. 6:17)
where obedience "from
the heart" refers not only to a sincere purpose but also to a heart which
understands what it has heard; one must "come to the knowledge of the truth"
before he can be saved
(1 Tim. 2:4). Hence, you, like the Ethiopian
treasurer, are simply untaught
(Acts 8:30, 31). In that vein, I shall respond to your earnest inquiries.
You
say that you "agree in the plan of salvation sprinkled throughout Romans;
and it is my belief anyone which truly 'confesses with their mouth'" and
'believes in their heart' shall be saved."
First, I shall assume that you also agree with the plan of salvation as it
is elsewhere "sprinkled throughout" the New Testament and not just in the
book of Romans. Robert Wilkin, president of the Grace Evangelical Society,
stresses the gospel of John as you have specified the book of Romans (See
the Hafley-Wilkin debate, which may be ordered from
www.Biblework.com, and also our written review of Mr. Wilkin in The
Christ, The Cross, And The Church). Surely, you agree that we must take all
the Bible teaches about "the plan of salvation."
Second, you are aware,
of course, that there are conditions with respect to the plan of salvation
in the book of Romans other than those two you have cited, confession with
the mouth and belief in the heart
(Rom. 10:9, 10).
One must repent before he can be saved
(Rom. 2:4, 5).
I think you concur with that
(Acts 2:38; 3:19).
Third, not only must one believe, repent, and confess, but we also find "in
the plan of salvation sprinkled throughout Romans," the following words:
"Know ye not, that so
many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ
was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also
should walk in newness of life"
(Rom. 6:3, 4).
Robby, do you also "agree" with those words? They are found among the
passages "sprinkled throughout Romans," and they have reference to "the plan
of salvation." Do you agree that one must be "baptized into Jesus Christ"
and "into his death?" If one must be "baptized into Jesus Christ," he is not
"in Christ" until he is baptized. Do you believe that, Robby? It is what the
Scripture says. The reason I ask is because I have never known a Southern
Baptist who believes it. Since you are an avowed "Southern Baptist," I
wonder if you will say you believe that one must be "baptized into Jesus
Christ" and "into his death." If you will accept what the book of Romans
says with respect to faith, repentance, and confession, will you also accept
what it says with respect to being "baptized into Jesus Christ"
(Rom. 2:4, 5; 6:3, 4, 17, 18; 10:9, 10)?
If
you do accept this part of "the plan of salvation sprinkled throughout
Romans," you may find yourself being rejected by your brethren in Southern
Baptist churches.
Third, I am encouraged
by your statement to the effect that "the New Testament" is my "doctrine,"
in the sense that it is the source of what I believe and teach. Indeed, that
is true
(Matt. 28:20; Acts 2:42; 1 Cor. 4:6; 1
Thess. 2:13; 2 Thess. 2:15; 2 Tim. 1:13).
There are various and sundry doctrines which abound among us today. Those
doctrines of men make one's worship and service to the Lord vain and empty
(Matt. 7:21-23; 15:8, 9; 2 Jn. 9).
However, Robby, I cannot agree that you and I are both Christians, children
of God. I do not say that to hurt you, nor to offend you, but to help you.
Being a Baptist, it is certain that you have been baptized, but you were not
baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, that is, by his authority
(Matt.
28:19; Acts 2:38; 10:48; 19:5; 22:16).
The passages cited show the clear and
certain purpose of that baptism instituted by the Lord. The baptism you
received was not of that kind, not of that nature. No Baptist preacher would
have baptized you into Christ "for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38; 22:16;
Rom. 6:3). No Baptist preacher would tell you what Ananias told Saul, "And
now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins,
calling on the name of the Lord"
(Acts 22:16).
Thus, it is apparent
that you have not been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Too,
your baptism put you into a Southern Baptist church. That is something that
New Testament baptism never did. No one who became a child of God by faith,
being baptized into Christ, was ever thereby made a member of any human
denomination, Baptist or otherwise. The baptism of the New Testament, that
baptism authorized by the Lord, puts one into the body or church of Christ
(1 Cor. 12:13).
It never constituted one a member of a denominational church, whether
Protestant or Catholic. Accordingly, since your baptism placed you into a
Southern Baptist church, it was not the baptism authorized by the Lord in
the New Testament.
(1)
In Jerusalem, we read of those who were baptized "in the name of Jesus
Christ for the remission of sins." Later, we read of "the church"
(Acts
2:38; 5:11; 8:1, 3). (2) In Samaria, we read of those who were baptized when
they believed what was preached concerning the name and authority of Christ
and his kingdom (Acts 8:12). We then read of the church in Samaria
(Acts
9:31). (3) In Corinth, we read of those who were baptized in the name of
Christ
(Acts 18:8; 1 Cor. 1:13; 6:11). We read of the church in Corinth
(1
Cor. 1:2; 12:13). (4) In Galatia, we read of those who were "baptized into
Christ" in order to become children of God by faith
(Gal. 3:26, 27; 1 Pet.
1:1; 3:21). They, too, were part of that "spiritual house," the church
(1
Pet. 1:1; 2:5; 1 Cor. 16:1; Gal. 1:2).
(5) In Ephesus, we read of those who
were "baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus"
(Acts 19:5). That baptism "in
the name" of Christ was "for the remission of sins,"
(Acts 2:38). We read
that the Ephesians were "in one body," "the same body," the church
(Eph.
1:22, 23; 2:16; 3:6; 5:23). (6) In Philippi, we read that those initial
converts were baptized
(Acts 16:15, 30-34). We later read of the church in
Philippi
(Phil. 4:15). (7) In Colosse, we read of those who had been
"buried" in baptism
(Col. 2:12). Being buried in baptism puts one "into Jesus
Christ"
(Rom. 6:3, 4). We next read of those Colossians who were "in one
body," the church, the kingdom of God
(Col. 1:13; 3:15). Hence, they had been
born again of water and the Spirit
(Jn. 3:3, 5; Col. 1:13).
Robby, kindly may I say that neither the baptism nor the church referred to
in those passages resembles the Southern Baptist church nor any other
denomination formed and fashioned by the doctrines and commandments of men.
True to his pledge and promise ("I will build my church"), Jesus built and
bought his church, purchasing it with his own blood
(Matt. 16:18; Acts
20:28). If one is not a member of that body, the church, he is not a member
of Christ; that is, he does not belong to Christ
(Eph. 5:30, 32; Cf. 1:22,
23; 2:16; 4:4; 5:23-26). Remember, "Except the Lord build the house, they
labor in vain that build it"
(Psa. 127:1). Robby, are you in "the house,"
the church which the Lord built? Jesus said, "Every plant, which my heavenly
Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up"
(Matt. 15:13). Robby, where
will you be on "rootin' day"?
"I Could Ask You Why..."
Next, Robby, you say, "I could ask you to prove why the mercy of God, the
blood of Christ, doesn't cover the sins of someone already in Christ until
they confess it. I could ask you why you aren't re-baptized every time you
fall short of God's glory. I could ask you why one part of Mark 16 is
literal
(v. 15),
yet another part is metaphoric or non-applicable to our day
(v. 16, 17).
I could ask why you, wanting to be the reincarnation of the early church,
avoid using pianos and drums, yet use microphones and air conditioning."
Yes,
Robby, "you could ask" all those questions. If you did ask them, here is how
I could answer them:
(1) "I
could ask you to prove why the mercy of God, the blood of Christ, doesn't
cover the sins of someone already in Christ until they confess it."
Reply:
(a)"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and
pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear
from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land"
(2 Chron.
7:14). "He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth
and forsaketh them shall have mercy"
(Prov. 28:13).
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and
to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"
(1Jn. 1:9).
Will he forgive our sins if we will not confess them? If so, what is the
point of 1 John 1:9?
(b)
Simon, the sorcerer, believed and was baptized
(Acts 8:12, 13). Thus, in
accordance with the promise of the Lord, he was saved
(Mk. 16:16).
Afterward, he sinned and Peter told him to "Repent therefore of this thy
wickedness and pray God if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be
forgiven thee"
(Acts 8:22).
However, if, as you contend, Simon's sins had been forgiven by "the mercy of
God (and) the blood of Christ," as soon as he committed them, why did the
apostle Peter tell him that he need to repent and pray that the Lord would
forgive them? Also, if Simon had been forgiven, why did Peter say, "For I
perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of
iniquity"
(Acts 8:23)?
How could one be "in the gall of bitterness and in the bond of iniquity" if
he already had been forgiven and cleansed of his sin by "the mercy of God
(and) the blood of Christ"?
(c)
One who is tempted and "overtaken in a fault," is to be restored, that is,
he is to be mended, put back into his rightful place
(Gal. 6:1).
Why, though, should this be done, if, as you allege, he is forgiven? If he
is forgiven by "the mercy of God (and) the blood of Christ," to what does he
need to be restored? If he is safe in the mercy and grace of God, restoring
him, putting him in some other place, can only remove him from God's love.
(It
will not suffice to say that the fellow in
Galatians 6:1
did not truly sin, for the offender is contrasted with those who are
"spiritual." Since they are "spiritual, " what does that make him? In
addition, the "spiritual" ones are to be wary lest they "also be tempted."
The fact that they were to avoid being "tempted," as their brother had been,
shows that it was truly a sinful condition into which he had fallen, for why
should they consider themselves if their being "tempted" would not cause
them to sin? From that situation, "spiritual" ones were to "restore such an
one." So, he was in sin and unforgiven.)
(d)
See also James 5:19, 20-"Brethren,
if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that
he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul
from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins"
(Jas. 5:19, 20).
If a man is instantly forgiven without confession of his sins, how can it be
said that he needs to be converted and that his soul needs to be saved from
death? If, as you argue, he is forgiven "by the mercy of God (and) the grace
of Christ, and is thus safe in God's grace and mercy," "converting"
(turning, changing) him will lead him away from God's mercy, grace, and
forgiveness.
Again, since, according to you, his erring from the truth is forgiven, how,
or in what sense, can it be said that his soul needs to be saved "from
death"? How can a man's soul be in danger of "death" if he is already
forgiven without confession?
Finally, in this connection, what does James mean when he says that a
"multitude of sins" will be hidden when the man is converted? According to
your doctrine, he is forgiven before he is converted, before he is brought
to confession of his sins. So, how can it be said that there is a "multitude
of sins" that yet remain and need to be hidden?
(e)
Robby, "the mercy of God, (and) the blood of Christ" is extended toward the
alien sinner, as well as to the erring child of God
(1 Jn. 2:1, 2).
"I could ask you to prove why the mercy of God, the blood of Christ, doesn't
cover the sins of someone not in Christ until they confess them." Does that
same "mercy of God" and "blood of Christ" forgive the alien who has not
confessed his sins? As we know, the alien sinner must meet certain
conditions in order to receive forgiveness through the mercy of God and the
blood of Christ
(Jn. 3:36; 8:24; Heb. 5:9).
So must the erring child of God
(1 Jn. 1:9).
However, if "the mercy of God (and) the blood of Christ" automatically
forgive the child of God, why do they not also grant the same immediate
forgiveness to the alien sinner, without his having to comply with
conditions of pardon? Can you take the Bible and show a distinction between
the conditional forgiveness of the alien sinner and the forgiveness of the
erring child of God?
(2) "I
could ask you why you aren't re-baptized every time you fall short of God's
glory."
Reply:
As the pattern of Acts 8:12, 13,
22-24, shows in
the case of Simon the sorcerer, one need not be "re-baptized every time" he
sins. See also 1 John 1:9
cited above. There again the Spirit shows us what the erring child of God is
to do; namely, repent, confess, and pray. That is what the Bible teaches and
that is what Christians do when they sin.
Robby, "I could ask you why you aren't re-baptized every time you fall short
of God's glory," too. You see, you believe that one should be baptized
because he has been saved and forgiven. Alright, that being the case, when
you sin and are granted forgiveness for it, as you believe you are, why are
you not "re-baptized every time" you are forgiven? If, according to you, I
must be "re-baptized every time" I sin in order to have my sins forgiven,
why is not the same true of you? Why are you not "re-baptized" every time
you are forgiven of sin?
For example, you were
baptized into the Baptist church. Suppose you were to fall into sin and be
withdrawn from by the church. Now, if you repented and were forgiven, would
you have to be "re-baptized" to be received back into fellowship in the
Baptist church? No, but, since you say you had to be baptized to get into
the Baptist church initially, why must you not have to be "re-baptized every
time" you sin and fall away from it? See the parallel with your attempt to
say that I must be "re-baptized every time" I sin? So, if you can understand
how that you need not be "re-baptized every time" you fall away and then
come back into the Baptist church, you ought to see that the same is true
with respect to the child of God
(Acts 8:12, 13, 22-24; 1 Jn. 1:9).
(3) "I
could ask you why one part of Mark 16 is literal (v. 15), yet another part
is metaphoric or non-applicable to our day (v. 16, 17)."
Reply:
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to
every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that
believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new
tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it
shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall
recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up
into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and
preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word
with signs following." (Mk.
16:15-20).
You
wonder why I accept verses 15 and 16 but do not accept the rest of the
verses which speak of miracles. Before I explain, let me ask you the same
question. Do you not accept verse 15-"Go ye into all the world, and preach
the gospel to every creature"? Do you not accept verse 16 when it says, "he
that believeth not shall be damned?" Surely, you do. Now, do you believe
that men today may take up serpents and "drink any deadly thing" without it
hurting them? No, you do not. So, I ask you the same question, why (do you
say) one part of Mark 16 is literal (v. 15), yet another part
is...non-applicable to our day" (v. 17, 18)?
Observe that as they went and preached, the Lord worked with them,
"confirming the word with signs following" (v. 20). That word "was
confirmed"
(Heb. 2:3, 4). Once it "was confirmed," it did not need to be
confirmed again, for "Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be
confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto"
(Gal. 3:15). So, once the
word "was confirmed," miracles ceased and were "done away"
(1 Cor.
13:8-10). From our web site,
www.Biblework.com, you may order the tapes, "Holy Spirit Baptism,
Tongues, And Miracles" and, "If They Have Holy Spirit Baptism").
Jesus was approved and
shown to be the Son of God by miracles and wonders and signs, especially by
his resurrection from the dead
(Matt. 9:6; 11:3-5; 12:39, 40; Jn. 3:2;
10:25, 37, 38; 12:37, 38; Acts 2:22; Rom. 1:4).
Do we need those signs to be performed again in every age and generation in
order to produce faith? No, they "are written (not performed again) that ye
might believe"
(Jn. 20:30, 31).
Jesus' miracles "follow" in that they are recorded in the testimony which
has been "confirmed." Today, "faith cometh by hearing" that divinely
confirmed word (Jn. 20:17; Acts
14:1; Rom. 10:8, 14-17).
Why,
though, do we still believe that
Mark 16:15, 16,
is applicable-"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach
the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be
saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
(Mk. 16:16).
Do men need to be saved today? Do men need to hear the gospel of Christ in
order to be saved? If so, then those words are still applicable. The man who
believes and is baptized will be saved; the man who does not believe will be
condemned.
(4) "I
could ask why you, wanting to be the reincarnation of the early church,
avoid using pianos and drums, yet use microphones and air conditioning."
Reply:
(I shall assume by your use of the term, "reincarnation," you are referring
to Christians who follow the instruction of the New Testament to "make all
things
according to the pattern" of the word of God.) Robby, do you mean to imply
that the Southern Baptist churches claim not to be patterned after those of
the New Testament? (I know they are not, neither in their work, worship, or
organization, but I did not expect you to suggest that they do not attempt
to emulate the form and fashion of the New Testament.) Do you not desire
that your children hold to the traditions and teachings of the Southern
Baptist church of which you are a member? Should every Southern Baptist
church in each generation be free to establish its own system of faith and
practice? If so, of what use is the New Testament? If not, what was your
point in seeming to speak derogatorily of those who desire to pattern
themselves after the New
Testament order?
In the New Testament,
Christians were urged to follow the pattern of the word of God
(Matt. 28:20; Acts 2:42; 1 Cor. 4:6, 17;
11:1, 2; Gal. 1:6-9; Phil. 3:16, 17; Col. 3:17; 1 Thess. 2:13; 2 Thess.
2:15; 2 Tim. 1:13; 2:2; Heb. 8:5; 1 Pet. 4:11; 2 Jn. 9; Rev. 22:18, 19).
Those churches and individuals that varied from the teaching they received,
we exhorted to turn back to the truth from which they had wandered
(Gal. 1:6-9; 3:1; 5:7; 6:16; 1 Tim. 1:3,
9-11; 4:1-6, 11, 16; Rev. 2:5).
Now,
to your question which seeks, in principle, to equate "pianos and drums"
with "microphones and air conditioning." You ask why we "avoid using pianos
and drums, yet use microphones and air conditioning." I could ask you why
you avoid using hard rock bands and exotic dance troupes, yet use
microphones and air conditioning. If I did, what would you say?
We
do not use pianos and drums because they are not authorized in the New
Testament. The Bible says we are to sing and make melody in our hearts, not
on our harps
(Eph. 5:19; Col. 3:16).
If you can show me where we are given the authority to "play" as well as to
"sing," I will not avoid either pianos or drums. Southern Baptists "avoid
baptismal fonts for the sprinkling of infants, yet use large baptisteries
for immersion." Robby, when you explain why that is done, you will have the
answer to your questions of me.
Microphones amplify the voice or sound. We are commanded to teach and to
sing
(Matt. 28:19; Eph. 5:19; 2 Tim. 2:2).
A microphone does not
add to those acts. It simply aids us in doing what the Lord said do; namely,
to teach and sing. (A hammer and a saw did not add to what God told Noah to
do. Rather, they aided him in doing what God said do; namely, build the
ark.) However, a piano and a drum necessitate another action or activity;
namely, playing. We are told to sing, not to play. If you can find the
authority for playing, you will have found authority for those instruments.
The Bible speaks of the
church coming together "in one place"
(1 Cor. 14:23).
It speaks of Christians who assemble or "come together"
(Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:2; Heb. 10:25).
(If there were no passages showing that Christians must come together, there
would be no authority for a meeting place and for its seats, lights, and
heating and cooling facilities.) The authority to assemble necessitates
certain physical facilities. For example, lights often must be used (Acts
20:8). Neither the lights, nor the heating or cooling adds to what God said
to do; namely, to assemble and worship as God has instructed. Rather, they
assist the worshippers in being able to carry out their assigned activities
as God would have them to do. When we use lights, microphones and heating
and cooling units, we have done nothing other than what God said do; namely,
come together, sing, eat the Lord's supper, and "lay by...in store."
However, the same cannot be said when we add a piano or a drum. Those
instruments require an action (playing) which God has not been approved. If
they were authorized, we could use a microphone in order to make the sound
of that which was played audible to others. First, though, the activity
itself must be authorized. It is the same with respect to singing. Without
the authority to "sing," there would be no authority for a microphone, a
song book, or a song leader.
With
the authority to sing comes the right to have such items, for they expedite
the command. If there were divine authority for playing instruments, we
could have them, along with conductors, sheet music, and microphones.
Without the authority to play, we can have none of them. (The command to
"teach" also, of course, would authorize the use of a microphone.)
Acts
20:7, The Lord's Supper, And "Long-Winded" Preaching
"One
Sunday while attending my Baptist church, my cousin (who is a member of a
church of Christ) noted, among other things, that we did not partake in the
Lord's Supper. We began to discuss the differences of having the Lord's
Supper every Sunday and having it once every couple of months or so. During
the discussion, I was enlightened by this passage (which I know you are
familiar with)...Acts 20:7.
Apparently this one verse is the foundation for this particular doctrinal
rule, or law, if you will, of the Lord's Church.
Not
having a concordance handy, I took her word on the "breaking of bread" being
a reference to the Eucharist and not to a fellowship supper. The question I
had for her, and the question I pose for you today, is about the second half
of that verse. Notice the length of Paul's sermon. He must've been quite
long-winded that particular night. But, according to the logic applied to
the first half of the verse, because he was long-winded that specific night,
he was long-winded every Sunday.
Why then,
Brother Hafley, are meetings at the churches of Christ some of the shortest
among Protestant churches in my area?"
Reply:
Before I reply to issues you have raised, please tell me what a "fellowship
supper" is. I can read that when the church eats the bread and drinks the
cup of the Lord that the members have "communion" or fellowship with the
body and blood of Christ (1 Cor.
10:16, 17).
Thus, if anything should be called a "fellowship supper," it should be the
Lord's supper-"And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and
in fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers"
(Acts 2:42).
To what "fellowship supper," then, did you have reference? How can holy men
of God partake of the spiritual body and blood of the Lord and have
spiritual "communion," and fellowship therein, and then turn and say, "Now,
let us be dismissed for a 'fellowship supper,' which
consists of potato salad, fried chicken, and baked beans?! If those things
constitute a "fellowship supper," what was the Lord's supper and our praise
and prayer unto him?!
Next, let me say that I
am very disappointed in your cousin. Since he is a member of the body of
Christ, he had no reason to be with you at a Southern Baptist church on
Sunday, the Lord's day. He should have been assembling with the saints (Acts
20:7). As your
account of his conversation with you shows, he obviously knows the
difference between what Baptists preach and practice and what the New
Testament authorizes. That being true, he should not have gone with you
(Heb. 10:25).
His
going with you was a poor example. It said, in effect, that it was
unimportant whether one assembles with the Lord's people and worships as the
New Testament directs. Your cousin likely knew before he went that it was
not the practice of a Baptist church to break bread "upon the first day of
the week" as the Bible teaches
(Acts 20:7).
He knew that he could not contribute of his means "upon the first day of the
week" as the Bible teaches
(1 Cor. 16:2).
(Amazing, is it not, that Baptist churches will accept an "offering" every
Sunday, but they will not take the Lord's supper that frequently.) Your
cousin knew that the singing, contrary to the plan and pattern of the Bible,
would be accompanied by mechanical instruments, yet he chose to worship with
you and your fellow
Baptists
(Col. 3:16, 17).
Your cousin did you a disservice by going and giving credence, by his
presence, to your worship, which, according to Jesus, is in vain
(Matt. 7:21-23; 15:8, 9).
Worse, yet, he slapped, as it were, the Lord in the face and discounted his
word, discredited his will, and despised his way as a matter of no moment or
consequence. Shame on him!
Further, let me note that the Lord's church is not a "Protestant" church, as
that term is commonly understood. Though the Lord's church is universal or
world-wide in scope, potentially encompassing "every creature" in "all
nations," it is not a "Catholic" church as the world views Catholic
churches. Likewise, though it protests against sin and error, it is not a
"Protestant" church in the same sense as the world considers a church to be
a Protestant church.
Next, referencing
Acts 20:7,
and the weekly observance of the Lord's supper, you say, "Apparently this
one verse is the foundation for this particular doctrinal rule, or law, if
you will, of the Lord's Church." (a) How many times must a thing be said for
a it to be a "doctrinal rule, or law...of the Lord's Church"? Is not "one
verse" sufficient to establish God's "rule, or law"? (b) Baptist churches
take up a collection of funds every Sunday. There is only "one verse" which
speaks to the propriety of such action
(1 Cor. 16:2).
Is that "one verse" sufficient to establish "this particular doctrinal rule,
or law"? Evidently, it is, for that is what Baptist churches do. That being
so, why is not "one verse" all that is needed to set the pattern for the
Lord's supper, too? (c) No other passage in the Bible tells us when the
disciples broke bread. It is all we have as to the time and frequency of its
being eaten. We know they "continued steadfastly in the apostles'
doctrine...and in breaking of bread"
(Acts 2:42).
Do we not abide in the apostles' doctrine when we do as they did with
respect to the Lord's supper
(Phil. 3:16, 17; 4:9)?
Likewise, do we not stray from apostolic teaching when we fail to do as they
did
(Cf. Acts 15:24)?
(d) Faith comes by hearing the word of God
(Rom. 10:17).
Do we not walk "by
faith" when we do as they did? When Baptists and others partake of the
Lord's supper daily or monthly, they cannot do so "by faith," for, as noted,
"faith cometh by hearing" the word of God. (e) We are to speak and act only
as the New Testament directs us
(Matt. 28:20; 1 Cor. 4:6, 17; Col. 3:17; 1
Pet. 4:11; 2 Jn. 9).
Where, in the New Testament, do we learn that we are
speaking "as the oracles (or spokesmen) of God" when we speak of a monthly
or quarterly observance of the Lord's supper? (f) Since you imply that "one
verse" may not be enough to make the weekly observance of the Lord's supper
a "doctrinal rule, or law," how many verses do you have for the practice of
Southern Baptist churches with respect to the time and frequency with which
they take it?
Your
objection to the above, though, is that if we would bind the Lord's supper
to the first day of the week, we must also insist on long services since
Paul preached a "long" time.
The
length of the service is not bound upon us anymore than the fact that it was
held in the "third loft" of that building
(Acts 20:9).
"Since all knew it was the last time Paul planned to be with them, they
would naturally plan for a long meeting" (New Testament History-Acts, Gareth
L. Reese, quoting professor Dale, p. 736). As proof of Dale's conclusion,
note
Acts 20:25, 38.
On that same journey, Paul expected not to see the Ephesians again, so he
would not see the men of Troas again, either. Thus, the long service is
explained by that fact and not because it was part of apostolic preaching
and practice.
Too, at times, it may
be necessary not to have extra long services so that all things may be done
decently and in order. As long as a service allows enough time for a
congregation to learn, be edified, and comforted, exhorted and encouraged in
the word of the Lord, fulfilling the appointments of the Lord, that service
is pleasing to God if it be done "in spirit and in truth"
(Jn. 4:24; 1 Cor. 14:3, 5, 12, 26b, 31,
33, 40).
Though it was not a meeting of the Lord's church, we do know that one
preaching service lasted less than an hour, for the jailer at Philippi was
baptized "the same hour" he heard the word of the Lord
(Acts 16:25, 30-34).Since
the particular length of a service cannot be given, I cannot bind a time
limit. However, I will say that it often (though not always) is typical of
soft, weak, compromising churches to seek shorter and shorter services. They
have time to sit through long movies and ball games, but an attitude of,
"get me in and get me out" of worship, sort of like a drive through window
at McDonalds, seems to permeate and motivate the hearts of many.
I
realize, of course, that some weak, soft, compromising churches, especially
those of human origin, often have long services. Thus, neither the shortness
nor the length of the service can be a true and complete measure of its
spiritual worth and value. Whether long or short, is the will of the Lord
being done
(Col. 2:4-8)?
Is the word of God being taught? Are saints being exhorted, warned,
reproved, rebuked, and encouraged
(Col. 1:28; 2 Tim. 4:2-5)?
Are sinners being taught the truth, hearing and learning about
righteousness, temperance, and the judgment to come
(Acts 24:25)?
Dare we put a stop watch to such high, holy, and heavenly themes? Yes,
churches of Christ should take heed in this regard.
Robby, I trust that these thoughts will be helpful to you in your study. I
encourage you to leave the Southern Baptist
church, obey the gospel, and become a Christian. Leave and lay aside every
vestige of human religion and follow the heavenly pattern of work and
worship outlined in the New Testament. If I may answer further questions, or
be of help to you in any way, please do not hesitate to call on me.
Sincerely, your friend,
Larry
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